Do you know is HS suppose to direct the bro's decision on whether or not to allow someone to get baptized ? I know they have told certain ones they were not ready yet and to wait a while , is this because they feel they are being guided that way by HS ?
troubled mind
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Living proof: Elders are not spirit appointed
by IP_SEC inwitnesses say that elders are appointed by holy spirit.
the bible is the product of hs and when the body prays and uses the bibles qualifications for older men in the context of the perspective candidate hs is involved in his approval or disapproval.
then when the co passes the recommendation on the gb (or who ever actually makes the decision) these spirit appointed men are influenced by hs.. all well and good, the only problem is, it does not work.
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I just found this site....THANK GOD!
by confused_101 inok long story short i was baptized at 17 (because i felt pressured into it), and i was df about 2yrs ago i believe (i'm 27 now).
i wasn't at the final meeting, or any meeting about my dfing.
i had an elder call me twice at work and tell me that there was meeting that night.
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troubled mind
I'm happy you found this site too.I just recently joined in ,and I can say it has already helped . It is so great to have a place were people understand what you're going through and you are free to speak your mind, it's wonderful. I can relate to you when you say you have so many thoughts running in your head....take your time .
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My first time being shunned in public
by xjwms inso thats what it feels like.. i am not df'ed or da'ed, ... i have just stopped going to meetings.
my wife is trying to be as active as she can.. so all morning i am out of my regular routine.
late getting out of bed and late about everything today.. so i leave the house, and before getting to the office, i decide to stop at the mall for a quick, maybe 15 min, walk.. as soon as i get inside, taking my coat off, here is the elder who did everything he could in his power to get me out...and lied...and added to gossip that ran me outta there.. he and his wife spot me .. and turn there heads away and continue on their walk, .. eyes fixed on some thing away from me.. so thats what it feels like.........now i know.
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It is true that lately people in my cong. have become more judgemental of ones that are not D'fd or Da, but just not as active as they are suppose to be . I refer back to Panicattacks post.I heard that talk this summer too ,yet at our hall a talk was recently given and if you are not regular in field service( for no good reason) then you are sinning against the holy spirit ! That was the first time i had heard that one, and since I stopped going out a few months ago- felt like crap, that was directed to me .Also it has been expoused that if you miss meetings it is a sin. We are constantly being warned that bad association can mean people in the hall not just worldly ones(I'm thinking me again) .So with such warm , fuzzy love surrounding me you can understand how I can be backing away, slowly fading .In my heart I want to run like hell to the nearest exit .But I'm trying to be careful for my family's sake . Now that I miss alot of meetings and don't go out in F.S. I have noticed certain" friends" avoiding me in public, but still talking to me at the hall when I do go ,but it is usually with the forced smile and never anything more than "HI how are you". I am getting paranoid about what I'm going to say when the Elder body wants to make a helpful visit !
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Chewing Gum at KH
by stillajwexelder inthe elders frown upon chewing gum at the kingdom hall and we have had a locals needs part where it was mentioned.
is/was chewing gum at your hall a no-no?
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troubled mind
Absolutley No Gum Chewing !! Didn't you know if we can't be faithful in little things we'll never be faithful in the big things . There is alot of unfaithfulness going on at my hall .
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Being raised as a Depressed JW...
by Smoky in...i was never happy, always thinkin this is it and holding back on everything that i wanted to do, why?
because that is what is taught being a jw kid.
it seemed to me that it was wrong to have fun, so i did not have any fun.
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troubled mind
Read some of the posts under Negative JW's
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Do jw youths understand
by carla indo jw youths understand that if they just didn't get baptized their parents would not be able to shun them later?
they must be able to see how this works in other families.
is it feasable for a jw teen to reject baptism?
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Most figure that one out, but the peer pressure to conform is terrible by 16, 17 ,if the kid is not baptised they start feeling marked as bad association .They can't perform simple duties around the hall like microphones , their friends are pressured to persuade them, otherwise they may not be able to hang out with them. Basically if your an older teen not baptized something is wrong with you. I told my sons they were not allowed to get baptized until out of teen years , and if anyone gave them problem about it send them to me .But peer pressure got to two of them and they caved at 17 , I begged the last one not to do it ,but he couldn't stand feeling as an outcast at school and also at KH .
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Being raised as a Depressed JW...
by Smoky in...i was never happy, always thinkin this is it and holding back on everything that i wanted to do, why?
because that is what is taught being a jw kid.
it seemed to me that it was wrong to have fun, so i did not have any fun.
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troubled mind
Smokey,YOU ARE NOT ALONE !!!! Unfortunately we are the product of some well intentioned but highly misinformed parenting . I am a new poster here ,I was raised JW in a divided household .My mom became a witness in the 50's my dad was a career Marine Sargent .I have had depression problems growing up and I too felt I was not normal or knew how to have fun . But now I have reached a stage in my life were I am just now learning to think on my own and looking into what really interests me . We have been sheltered for so long that it is going to take a long time to develop skills for enjoying life .But the learning process can be fun. I think it's great your going on a cruise .Start allowing yourself to enjoy things .You need to begin by starting a new dialogue in your mind , one that says it's okay to be happy 'I don't have to feel guilty . We have been weaned on some pretty negative thinking and it is well engrained. This may sound hokey but I have learned alot by listening to the Dr.Phil shows .He has several books out that deal on mental well being and re directing negative thinking patterns in your life ,Maybe you could look through one at a book store .I hope it helps . I know it is helping me just to have a place like this to vent my feelings .
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While You Were A JW, What Things Struck You To Raise Your Eyebrows?
by minimus ini'll never forget the time the circuit and district overseers told the elders that from now on the elders would be solely responsible for all judicial matters and that if anyone was going to get sued, it was not going to be the society.
at that point, the 2 overseers laughed outloud.
i knew we were going to get screwed for sure because the watchtower society was already setting us up.
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Another eyebrow raised with voice to match.............According to another meeting in the back room my son was told he could not carry on exclusive conversations with a certain young woman in the hall , what would people think , she was only a bible student obviously still worldly . My husband had to hold me back ...........I said this is Jehovah's house my son can talk to whom ever he wishes ,they talk in the open in the midst of everyone .If some one has a problem with that then it is their problem not his .Don't ever tell my son again who he can and can not talk to!! Poor guy, his eyes kind of bugged out and he started apologizing profously, I didn't think my yelling would have such an effect But boy did it feel good.
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While You Were A JW, What Things Struck You To Raise Your Eyebrows?
by minimus ini'll never forget the time the circuit and district overseers told the elders that from now on the elders would be solely responsible for all judicial matters and that if anyone was going to get sued, it was not going to be the society.
at that point, the 2 overseers laughed outloud.
i knew we were going to get screwed for sure because the watchtower society was already setting us up.
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not only did I raise my eye brows , but the little hairs on the back of my neck : My son had be friended aworldly girl and she was attending KH meetings she asked me to study with her .Her living arrangements were precarious and she really needed some help .After sunday meeting two elders asked to speak with all of us in the back room .They told me I should not be the one to study with her because My son is friends with her and rather the elders daughter would be a better choice ......(excuse me now elders tell you who you can and can not study the Bible with ,Mind you my son was not dating this girl ...) This was right in front of the bible student and she was hot because she didn't even know the other sister, and she was not given a choice .....Then they asked is there anything we can do to assist ...So I told them her living arrangements were precarious and she had already spent one night in freezing winter temps ..so yes it would be wonderful to extend some christian love and help her maybe give her a place to stay until she got on her feet , I thought they might go in to convulsions...Then one elder kindly tells this impressionable young woman that right now because she is so new she is like an icyyy wind that blows a shiver up the congergations back ...but he is sure that given time after she has proven herself the cogregation will rally to her side ! I said excuse me I'm not asking the congregation I'm asking you ! Boy don't you think she thought we were a bunch of jerks. The story gets long but this is when my eyes were opened to what hypocrisy is all about ....the love Jesus taught was not this kind of love
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WT decision makers = hopelessly out of touch
by watch the tower ini worked at the hq for a few years in the 90's and i've personally known and met several influential bethelites during my time there.
these are brothers that have been there 20-30-40+ years and hold various degrees of authority within the org.
looking back and thinking about these ppl, i can't help but comment how out of touch these people were.
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This summer's convention program and our last assembly day nearly sent me screaming and running down the aisles !!!! Quote :" Oh no Brother I have no regrets turning down the four year Scholarship I was Offered , I am so much more happier pioneering ! " Gag ,Gag ,HURL All I could think was yeah kid wait 30 years of cleaning floors , or toilets and you'll be re-thinking the logic on that one . Where do they find these step-ford pioneers anyways ? My husband and I grew up in the anti college years of the 70's and we each work several jobs just to make ends meet .But of course neither of us pioneer or even auxillary so we couldn't expect to be blessed as the others .Dang always our fault ! Things that make you go HMMMMmmm: At book study this week a sister made the comment ," we are not living in reality right now , what is truly real will be in the new system" Okay.......maybe it's just that you can't deal with reality.........